Violet Evergarden #2304450

Entry by Cendrillon on Mon Apr 16 03:16:52 2018.

Tags: Anime, Pixiv Id 9387811, Violet Evergarden, Gilbert Bougainvillea, Violet Evergarden (Character)

Pixiv Id 9387811, Violet Evergarden, Gilbert Bougainvillea, Violet Evergarden (Character)

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    Gorgeous art but this ship is beyond immoral. She was 10 and him 20+ when they met and he started raising her like a father figure would do. It's sick and immoral romancing the guy who raised you/the little girl you raised. Disgusting.

  • Dianna321

    May 02, 2018

    God! I hope so!!!

    ^ In what exactly, a pedo and immoral ship? Seriously, I'm speechless. I don't get why people (author included) would feel the need to romanticize a relationship between a little girl and the older man who raised her. That's just sick.

  • flame2frost

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    May 02, 2018

    you care about fiction too much, are you one of those SJWs? As long as two people are happy it doesn't matter, she wasn't raped or anything, neither was there any underage sex smfh

    ^ I don't know what SJWs means but in any case the point isn't whether she was raped or not. A relationship doesn't need to just be cute and fluffy to be positive, there are also other things to take into account. She was 10 and him 20+yo when he started raising her. That's just disgusting to get together with a kid you raised, that's just not morally correct from any pov. If they met as strangers when she was 25 and him 40yo to give an example, there would be nothing wrong. But he literally raised her since when she was a 10yo child, so that's definitely not correct. So ship what you want, but stop pretending there is no issue in such a problematic ship involving a little girl and the adult man who raised her. I'm losing faith in people's common sense. People who support this kind of relationships either in fiction or real life have some serious issues.

  • flame2frost

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    May 03, 2018

    The one with serious issues is you, stuck on the past when she was taken in, pushing your own views on it by saying it he raised her a daughter. If you want to see what real disgust is then trying reading the manga of Usagi Drop, where he took in the girl who was not even in school yet, they lived as father and daughter and then there's a timeskip and suddenly the author goes crazy and makes her fall in love with him. THAT WAS SICK. JUST SICK. This never started as that kind of relation so that kind of parental relation mindset never set in . It's pretty much you trying to force a point of view on it, it's fine as long as you think about it in such way and comment on it but now you're just going and policing people on it. And as for SJW, you know google exists so go and google it. You are one of them. Seeing what isn't there, never was, the kind of relationship you're seeing. He was raising a soldier, a damn soldier, not a daughter, the hell are you even saying lmao.

  • Dianna321

    May 03, 2018

    @Sāκαšυ иø נøō Her age is never truly specified. Gilbert was 29 when he met Violet, he never sexually assaulted her, touched her inappropriately, let alone kissed her. On top of that, let's say she was 10, when they first met. By the time the war ended and, from the looks of it, she regained consciousness, she appears to be at least 16. But AGAIN, her age was never specified. And I have to agree with 'flame2frost'. You seem to care a little bit too much about this fictional couple. There's a reason this is called FANART, plus you do know the age of consent in Japan is 12, right?

    You above are both sick af tbh. Stop justifying stuff that can't be justified. What I'm saying is not a pov, it's a fact that when they met Violet was a kid and Gilbert much older and he started raising her technically as a soldier, but it's common knowledge that Gilbert never thought about her as such, it was his brother Dietfried that condidered Violet as a tool, never Gilbert. To him she was always a human being, a little girl he got attached to. And stop trying to come up with the rape topic because rape is not the only thing that makes a love relationship negative. It's not just because something is fluffy that is totally ok. It's just the bases this ship is build on to be totally wrong. And you say the age of consent is 12 in Japan? Is that something to claim proudly? Actually that's sick that in a country according to the law a 12yo kids could give the consent to engage a love relationship with way older people. Bringing creepy laws to the conversation to justify a wrong ship makes the topic even more uncomfortable tbh, it doesn't help at all. And it's not this ship I care so much about but the negative message it spreads. And I complained about this topic also in other series with the same theme, not just this. Romanticizing adult/teen relationships making them go for positive love stories is not exactly a good message to spread, people will start believing that such relationships are good to support just because they look fluffy without considering the most important side of the matter. So you could still going on with your so called arguments, but facts don't change. Creepy are such ships and even more creepy are laws who allow such relationship to happen irl.

  • flame2frost

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    May 03, 2018

    I don't think you get the problem, as mentioned before this is a fictional story BY people where the age of consent is 12. I think that's what Dianna321 meant and not that age 12 is OK, it's NOT, definitely NOT. Your way of thinking and judging people based on such a laughable light novel's plot of all things is what's wrong. Get your mind out of the gutter, and try to think with an open mind and not throw insults as they come to your mind then maybe you can have a respectable conversation and understand what the other person actually is saying, and if you just don't want then that's just you being arrogant and you'll never get through to anyone if you just sing your own song and not try to understand what the person is even saying. Let's get this resolved one by one.

    1. He took her in as a human, not as a lover, and not as a father. Treated her kindly, she grew up, the story got written as a romance.

    2. You are mad that people are shipping it because when he took her in she was a kid.

    3. You mentioned that there's nothing wrong with a age difference if they met when she was already older.

    4. Then you call it a creepy relationship and call other people sick because they think that now she's grown up she can be in a relationship.

    So what am I missing here, what the hell are you even talking about? This is so contradictory, if he never raised her as a daughter, she is older now, then what even is the problem? If people were shipping the 10 yo violet with an older Gilbert then that's what's sick, but that's not the case at all is it?

    "people will start believing that such relationships are good to support just because they look fluffy without considering the most important side of the matter"
    you're saying the same things and old person would say about video games and that they should be banned because they are violent. People are free to think whatever they want and they are capable of making their own decisions.

    Seriously these double standards and contradictory statements, saying that if they met when they were older it would be fine but just because they met when one person was young and didn't even have any kind of relationship and grew up and plot turned romantic then somehow it's wrong? what? I bet you say nothing about ships between Ciel and Sebastian even if the age difference is way more and one is actually just a child, same with Ereri, somehow shipping them is fine. People like you are always the same, everywhere. Riding their own high horses trying to policize people and yet not looking at themselves even once.

    A fiction is not a message, those who take it that sensitively and seriously need to evaluate their lifestyle.

    Sebaciel and Ereri are not written as romance in canon, GilVi most likely is given the latest spoiler pics from the Gaiden (still unconfirmed until the translator doesn't give us more infos). With Sebaciel maybe there are some sexual innuendos here and there but I think that's just because the author has a past of yaoi mangaka, I highly doubt they'll end up as romantic ship in canon tbh. Sebastian's gonna eat Ciel's soul in the end, no romance or sex involved. Ereri is just a captain/soldier relationship and nothing more, on a side note I even dropped the series as I don't like it anymore. I'm still a Levi fan but a single character is not enough of a reason for me to keep following a series that I don't like anymore.

    There are no double standards, maybe I didn't explain myself properly. I said that there would be nothing wrong in an age gap relationship if the two people involved met as STRANGERS when they were both ADULTS. Not them meeting when one was a kid or one raising the other and eventually get together when the kid is older. The feeling should stay the same, how could you ever consider a kid you raised (he still raised her be it as a tutor, as her captain, as a father figure or whatever, that's not important) as a potential love interest? That's not right, it's never gonna be right. It's not a matter of being open minded or not, there are some things that are just wrong be it in fictional or irl. And I think you're living in a different world if you think fictional material (be it movies, books, manga, videogames, etc) isn't supposed to give a message to the audience, in most cases fictional material does indeed spread a message, most times they try to give them positive. A story always wants to say something to the audience, if the message is morally correct or not... that's debatable. But in the end I'm not saying that people should stop shipping what they want, I'm just saying that while shipping they should always acknowledge the issues of the stuff they're supporting and be more self-aware in their fictional tastes. If they said: "I'm perfectly aware this ship is not positive but I still like it for its dynamic and such" I'd have nothing to say because at least they'd acknowledge the issue and be aware that what they're supporting is not positive. I'm riding no high horses as in had I to ship a unhealty ship I always admit they're in fact unhealthy, but many people aren't even able to understand where the issue is coming from and seriously think what they're supporting is healthy. That's really worrying. That's it.

  • flame2frost

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    May 03, 2018

    "Sebaciel and Ereri are not written as romance in canon, GilVi most likely is given the latest spoiler pics from the Gaiden (still unconfirmed until the translator doesn't give us more infos). With Sebaciel maybe there are some sexual innuendos here and there but I think that's just because the author has a past of yaoi mangaka"

    so there, you understand that even if there is no romance, people still ship them, even if it's wrong, people still ship them despite it being canon or not, some fujoshis are even hostile about it, you must've seen it. So you're just wasting your time thinking that if something is canon then it changes anything for those people, they ship whatever the hell they want. Even if it's canon or not. Nothing influences them. They have their own heads. This reminds of Golden Kamuy, the girl in it is a 12 yo, the series is by no means anything about romance or such, but there are tons of people who ship her with a psuedo-antagonist just because she gave him food. I'm surprised how some people think.

    " Not them meeting when one was a kid or one raising the other and eventually get together when the kid is older."

    there it is again, I'll say it again, he did not raise her as a daughter, neither he was a parent, nor did the story started with her being raised by him. As I said before the mindset you're talking about never set it, never got explored.

    "but many people aren't even able to understand where the issue is coming from"

    I said above, the feel of such a relationship never set in into people's heads, so people cannot think that way and can't get into it like that. Most people started it with the anime where it started with an "I love You", the tone was set from that point on, a seed was planted in the viewers. Whatever author decided about the relationship was something that was already kept in mind while making the anime. How can you blame the fans for how it was portrayed? You and other people come from different place, the roots are different so how they look at it is different too. You look at Violet and Gil from the start, when they met. While people look at them from the end, when she's already older. If there were actually scenes of familial love or just simply raising her and no romantic sub-plot, then it might be possible for some people to think that it's wrong, but that was never shown and would never be, in the anime that is. If I remember right I talked about it before to you and agreed on the portrayal being wrong, but you just look like you're attacking people for it now.

  • Dianna321

    May 04, 2018

    @Sāκαšυ иø נøō For ****'s sake! Again, this is FANART! ****ING FANART! If you are going to get this ****y over one image, you are on the wrong website! Why do you even care so much!?! It's just like 'flame2frost' said, "This is a fictional pairing"! THEY AREN'T REAL!!! I'm also guessing you don't know too much about Japanese culture, laws and have not seen many animes! THIS. IS. FANART! GET THE **** OVER IT! I like it, you don't FINE!

    @flame2frost You see, it's not in my interest to change people's mind about what they ship, I perfectly know fans ship what they want regardless their ship being romantic or platonic in canon, but that wasn't my point. I'm just saying that the issue is not them shipping morally questionable ships, they could ship the most negative couple in the world and I wouldn't care. The issue is them supporting negative stuff being in denial about its negativity and acting as if what they support is the most pure and healthy stuff ever existed making people who criticize them for obvious reasons go for the bad guys in order to not appear as the bad guys themselves. They're just a bunch of sick hypocrites. When you support negative stuff, if you're objective, mature and self-aware you should take into account, expect and accept criticism but it looks like these people are either in full denial or they genuinely don't get what they're doing. That's when canon comes into play. These shippers already think to be in the right shipping what they do without their couple being canon, so if the plot makes the ship official it's gonna be worse with them thinking even more that is ok and perfectly acceptable to support negative stuff. In this case that it's ok to support the ship of a little girl and the adult man who took her under his wing not necessarily as a father figure (I repeat that's not important to give labels to the way he raised her, he indeed raised her as a captain, as a tutor, or whatever but pretty sure he didn't raise her as a love interest because that'd make Gil a very sick man and he isn't) but as an adult guy who pitied and got attached to a little girl and gave her affection in her childhood years. This way they're gonna get the pass to claim even more that their negative ship is pure and positive, that they were right since the start and the others criticizing the ship were totally wrong. Absurd, but as a matter of experience, it happened in a bunch of fandoms I belonged to so I know what I'm talking about.

    I started with the anime too, but I never thought that 'I love you' could be interpreted in a romantic sense until I came across the episode about princess Charlotte and her future husband. When they made Violet say that there was nothing wrong with a little girl romancing a way more adult man, I understood where this all was going and I was disgusted because that was a clear parallel to Violet and Gilbert's situation. Incredible the way authors tried to manipulate the audience by making the heroine say such atrocious things. Thanks God I can think with my own head and perfectly descern what's morally acceptable or not regardless of what other people say. Btw we still don't know what's gonna happen in the novel but given Charlotte's story, I don't have much hope in the author's common sense. In the end I think this conversation is going nowhere as in you refuse to come to terms with a simple thing such as judging with objectivity what you support. Not changing your tastes but being aware of both the pros and cons of what we support. We'll see what's gonna happen in canon, until then I already said all that needed to be said on the topic.

    @Dianna321 Talking with you is just a waste of time tbh. I'm not gonna discuss with you about immoral Japanese laws you seem to support so much just to defend an immoral ship. And sorry to disappoint but it's more than 20 years that I'm an otaku and I read/watched more than 100 manga/anime so the one who doesn't know**** is you not me. And I perfectly know this is a fanart but there's the risk that such a thing could happen in canon. That's why I'm talking about it.

  • flame2frost

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    May 05, 2018

    >I'm just saying that the issue is not them shipping morally questionable ships, they could ship the most negative couple in the world and I wouldn't care. The issue is them supporting negative stuff

    No no no, that's not it, that's not it at all, they are shipping the older violet, they are not thinking of the younger violet, ask them if they ship the 10 yo violet, if they say yes then they are messed up, if they say no then that's that.

    >they genuinely don't get what they're doing
    who knows, but what they do know is that they are not shipping a 10 yo. nor are they thinking of shipping people who were raised by that person

    >it's ok to support the ship of a little girl and the adult man who took her under his wing not necessarily as a father figure
    I repeat, they are not shipping the little girl, but the older one. I already said in my last comment that they do not know about the little violet, they only see the adult violet that was shown to them first.

    and I will repeat it again, THEY ARE NOT SHIPPING THE 10 Y.O. Violet.


    >but I never thought that 'I love you' could be interpreted in a romantic sense

    now that's funny, because every reviewer, every place of discussion took it as "that" I love you, I mean why would they not? The very first episode started with a woman wanting to write a love letter of all things.

    > Thanks God I can think with my own head and perfectly descern what's morally acceptable or not regardless of what other people say.

    It can also be interpreted as being arrogant, because you make up things about the other person without even understanding what they are thinking at all. You assume you know them more than they know themselves.
    Come on now, you are blaming people for what they didn't do, making up your own accusations and twisting their intentions into something so sick. I mean how can someone think like this about another person? This is just so rude. Seriously.

    > In the end I think this conversation is going nowhere as in you refuse to come to terms with a simple thing such as judging with objectivity what you support.

    To be perfectly honest, I haven't touched the show since episode 6. Hell I didn't even pursue the conversation with you in the last talk. I only came here because you are attacking people by assuming things about them unjustly.


    I will repeat it in simple words words again "people only ship the grown up violet" have you seen any art of 10 yo violet being shipped with Gil? have you? no, I haven't either, I'm on pixiv all day but there's nothing like that there. When they ship it they don't think of a person raising and then marrying that person, hell no.


    You keep saying that people do not know what they are shipping, but to be totally honest you do not know what they are shipping and making judgments on their personality, that's very rude and arrogant, you have no idea what the other person themselves have witnessed in real life. Don't take a person so lightly. They are not fictional characters for you to judge and make your own assumptions about.

  • Dianna321

    May 06, 2018

    @flame2frost
    I don't think I could've said it any better. People really do ship adult Violet with Gilbert and like you said in previous comments 'This is a fictional couple' and like I said in earlier comments 'This. is. ****ING FANART'! At this point, if "Sāκαšυ иø נøō" wants to bitch and moan let him/her; they are on the wrong site if they think they're going to find 'moral/ethical' couples/ships. He/she is obviously not listening to anything we're saying and keeps assuming the worst. I don't agree with Japan's laws on the age of consent being 12, but it's their country, not ours. If she wants to be made at someone/thing, be mad at Japans government. On top of that, if he/she wants to bitch and moan about this couple, or any other ship for that matter, again, he/she is on the wrong site. Not much of an otaku now is she?

  • flame2frost

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    May 06, 2018

    I don't think being an otaku is the problem, or hating the ship either. It's how Sāκαšυ иø נøō makes such sick assumptions about people and you're not helping, let the matter rest.

  • Dianna321

    May 06, 2018

    @flame2frost
    Agreed ;)

  • whoareyoutojudge

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    May 06, 2018

    It's not like she hasn't been doing this for a while. I seriously think mods should have the ban option back again. This is an image board ffs, not 'Sāκαšυ иø נøō's daily rants' page. I can't believe she's been doing this for years like 'no****, I can call other people whatever I want, it's justified because I have arguments' and her arguments, as you see, are based on what other people ship.

    Ahahah just as I was saying, that's people's n1 strategy making people who point out obvious issues go for the bad guys, in order to not be considered the bad guys themselves. It's as if someone says that murder is wrong but instead of going against murderers, people would make it go the person who said murder is wrong for the bad guy. That's absurd the level of embarassment some people are willing to reach just in order to defend some silliness like a ship.

    In the end all this tragedy just for a simple thing that represent the basis of common sense: objectivity. Don't let yourself be blinded by your tastes while judging something. You have all the right to support what you want but not being in denial about the issues of what you support and then accusing others to be assh*les or arrogant (that's not arrogance stating what's obvious for a bunch of people, as if I was the only one in the world being agaist ships involving minors, most people are against them) for calling you out. Simple as that, that's not so difficult to get. It would help people to keep a credible image of themselves in front of others instead of appearing as blind fangirls who's do anything to defend the questionable things they like. But no, they need other's approval in order to not be considered bad people. Cowards. Support your wrong stuff with pride and don't be hypocrites.

    That being said, Violet is 18yo just in the novels but most people who support the ship are anime fans and in the anime Violet is 14. Still a minor. Charlotte too and she married a 30yo adult man. That's just horrible. I'm active on various sites where people discuss the series and the ship, people state to support an adult/minor ship so that's not an assumption. That is a fact. If you want to keep being in denial about these ships being bad, be my guests. The truth of facts won't change. On a side note, the novel translator herself and many other people who read the novels never thought that the GilVi relationship was going to be romantic as in yeah, the author always kept things a bit confused here and there but for the most part the bond was more on the platonic side. So I'm not the only one here who thought about their bond as not romantic. You have to be very sick to hear an adult say 'I love you' to a little girl and think about it as romance as first reaction. That's not how it should be, like at all. Btw pretty sure I don't write posts like this on a daily basis, I can't even remember the previous argument before this one but pretty sure it was months ago.

  • Dianna321

    May 07, 2018

    @whoareyoutojudge
    I'll take it as she doesn't know when to give up?

  • flame2frost

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    >Ahahah just as I was saying, that's people's n1 strategy making people who point out obvious issues go for the bad guys, in order to not be considered the bad guys themselves. It's as if someone says that murder is wrong but instead of going against murderers, people would make it go the person who said murder is wrong for the bad guy.

    murder is wrong, the problem is you making people murderers when they are not.
    seriously it's a chore to even read your paragraphs, you keep going in circles saying the same thing yet not even understanding the point of the conversation
    violet did not have an age tag on her head when it was shown. People do not ship children, ffs you continue to make things up about people when you don't understand anything about them.

    why are you like this ? what is wrong with you?

    before replying to the conversation about the topic, try to understand the person's actual thoughts on the topic and not make them up. You are saying we are making you the bad guy but weren't you in assumption from the very beginning that everyone except you is the bad guy? you didn't understood with simple words and you kept forcing own interpretations of people's thoughts on them, you are still doing it now. You see and hear something else, then filter it to your own convenience and spit it back at them. When people tell you that, you go round in circles acting like the victim while in the whole process you keep blaming the person unjustly based on your own assumptions. Wow, just wow.

    ^ You're going in circle too trying to defend what can't be defended, that's why we should cut the conversation as in is going nowhere. Denial is hard to dissipate. And I never said everyone except me is the bag guy, there are other people who are against this kind of fictional material or there are others who still support it but with the common sense to notice the issues. So I'm no one special nor a victim, just one of many with common sense. And again I'm not assuming anything, I simply comment what people state. And the truth of facts is still that some people support fictional relationships between an adult and a minor. There's nothing else to add.

  • flame2frost

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    May 07, 2018

    > trying to defend what can't be defended

    see you don't get it, you think I'm defending the ship when I no longer even watch the series. All these paragraphs wasted, nothing got through to you, nothing at all. I'm honestly surprised.

    ^ Why even bothering then, I never waste my time for series I don't even follow or I dropped. And yeah, I'm surprised too tbh. Nothing got through me as in I read nothing but poor and embarassing excuses. Nothing can justify ships involving a minor and an adult so I don't see why I should change my mind.

  • flame2frost

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    May 07, 2018

    euurghhh, I have no idea how many times I mentioned why I was here. Seriously, excuses about what? the ship? when that's not even the topic here. You think people ship a children and you call them sick when it's been mentioned in every of my comment that they don't. YET, this SINGLE thing does NOT get in that BRICK of a head of yours. It's like I'm talk to a wall with a hole and everything I said gets filtering into something strange when it reaches you.

    ^ She's a MINOR (14yo is a very young minor even more naive than her peers) involved with a way older man. Charlotte too. The creepiness is obvious to everyone with a brain, I'm just a fish in the sea. I'm tired and disgusted, so I'm gonna leave people at their denial.

  • flame2frost

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    May 07, 2018

    >I'm just saying that the issue is not them shipping morally questionable ships, they could ship the most negative couple in the world and I wouldn't care.

    you said that right? while I said nobody is shipping the 10 yo which is true, without agreeing you jumped onto the 14 yo violet thus immediately changing the goal posts, her being in the teens people know but 14? doubt, in the first few eps I watched there wasn't anything like that, while you were changing goal posts and not accepting a single argument from me which was people not shipping 10 y.o violet which is true and you couldn't gulp down someone else saying anything correct, in this whole matter you forgot you yourself said you wouldn't care if they were aware of what they were shipping which was teen violet. But you somehow still do.

    Then you said the violet in novel is 18 y.o.
    And I also mentioned the romantic tone was set in the anime from first episode when people knew nothing about violet or her age.


    so tell me, what's wrong here? you being scared to accept that something the other person said was right or you going back on your own argument about not caring what other people ship? when your whole history on this website is mostly about fighting over ships. oh and your argument was 10 yo violet which was proven that no one was that sick. First understand what the hell you even want, because it looks like you just want a keyboard fight is all.

    ^ You didn't understand a single thing I said and now you're trying to twist my words at your advantage. Nice try, but no. I said that Violet was 10yo when she met Gilbert and he started to took care of her. Since then some years have passed, both are a bit older, but they're still a minor and the adult man who took care of her and a love relationship with these basis is morally wrong (no one would romance a few years later a kid they took care of and saw growing up), even worse if she is 14 and not 18yo like in the novels. But since most people are anime fans and haven't read the novels, they're mostly shipping the 14yo Violet with Gilbert. So the ship has two isssues: one, Gilbert would be a man who witnessed the growth of a 10yo little girl he took care of and then a few years later would start romancing her; two, they're a ship involving a minor and a way older man. I also said that it's not in my interest to force people drop the ship, they have all the right to like what they want, but I don't see why they should be in denial about the obvious moral issues this ship has. The one with Charlotte too. What's wrong with admitting something you support has issues? Nothing at all and by doing that you'd gain respect from others for being objective in your opinions stating the pros and cons of what you support. Are these shippers just salty because they don't want their not so positive couples being criticized and they've been hit in a soft spot? Just have the guts to support what you do, even if not totally positive, with pride. But don't attack others for their criticism, as they're free to support what they want, others are free to criticize as well. Especially when the topic is morally questionable. They should take that chance into account since the start. Easier than this, I can't explain and this will be my last attempt but I don't have much hope. It's up to others understanding such a simple concept. In any case the truth of facts won't change. And no, I don' want a keyboard fight but when you read such nonsense, it can't be helped.

  • Dianna321

    May 10, 2018

    @flame2frost
    Dude, let it go. She's not listening and no matter she's not going to listen let alone try and understand. I don't know how you and I can be more clear? This is a fictional pairing and this is fanart; she is on the wrong website to bitch and moan.

  • flame2frost

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    May 10, 2018

    eh, I haven't even read her recent comment, I'll just read it and reply whenever I'm in the mood to ruin my mood with reading some bullshit

    ^ Don't bother, there's nothing to say anymore. I'm bored to read nonsense so I won't reply anymore as in it's a total waste of time talking to people who refuse to get such simple concepts that should be common to everyone. Bye.

  • flame2frost

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    May 10, 2018

    yeah, run. That's all hypocrites with double standards who make stuff about people can do. I feel sorry for people around you, they must have a hard time getting through to a brick like you.

  • flame2frost

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    May 10, 2018

    I mean really, you keep saying you want to make us understand, understand what? the child and old guy**** is pedo? wow it's something new right? like we never knew it was sick, it's like I didn't even said it myself so many times already. Even after realizing that they are not shipping a 10 yo you keep whining, asking for people to say they are shipping a 14 yo or whatever her age as if it isn't obvious, so in other words you want self gratification by first****ting on people, calling them sick and then saying "oh I have no issues with the ship". Holy****, my sides, oh my god. You call people sick without knowing what they themselves have seen in real life, you based it on a fictional ship and insult them. You're one of the most horrible people I've met on this site. Oh my god.

    ^ I don't run and I have no double standards as in I'm against these couples either in real life and in fictional (if people want to ship them I can't stop them but they could as well admit they're not really positive), I simply come to terms that even after all these walls of text between us, the conversation was useless in the end as in you keep twisting my words at your advantage. What should we do, keep talking until the end of times? I think both have better to do. And I want no self gratification, what I said are simply the basis of common sense many people share so I really said nothing new here. I'm no hero for saying something that was already obvious to many. Go on socials, there are a bunch of people against these kind of ships (and in rl too whoever I talked about this topic they were all against it), not gonna be the first nor the last one. And I'm an horrible person just because I pointed out an issue? Wow xD

  • flame2frost

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    May 10, 2018

    >And I'm an horrible person just because I pointed out an issue?

    again, your problem is that you don't know the what the problem is. You are fine with ciel and sebas ship and cheering "woohoo! how hot", yet you call people sick who ship a girl they saw, whose age they didn't know and her superior in a show that started with her wanting to understand the meaning of "I love you". Based on your own experience of light novel where she's raised and stuff and not knowing what they themselves saw in the anime you call them sick. First argument started with you saying 10 yo , which got proved that people don't ship that. But there you go changing goalposts even after you said that you have no problem with people shipping it if they know what her age is. I don't know if they know, I don't even know her age myself, 14 or 16, I dropped it in the beginning so I don't know. Anyway, in conclusion you are calling people sick who are shipping just a girl and an older guy without knowing their age or how her past was, you called them sick as if they know. That's just rude you know.

    What's up with that?

  • whoareyoutojudge

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    May 29, 2018

    @Dianna321 Ages later, I see she's still doing same old thing. Let it go. Once she has no one to attack (won't say discuss, because that's not what she's doing), she'll just go and put some random comments on other images. And it's for the best. Her being a hypocrite is completely normal in her case and don't try to explain it to her, she won't get it. Because yaoi for life.

    However, that doesn't mean she can call people here whatever she wants and if she does it again, I strongly recommend a moderator talking to her (since no banning) and finishing this drama once and for all.

  • TrainHeartnetx12

    Jul 05, 2018

    I was going to comment that it was a nice drawing considering the series and i see an argument on the ethics of the scenario.

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