Entry by anele on Wed Aug 19 20:08:09 2015.
ilaBarattolo, NARUTO: SHIPPŪDEN, NARUTO, Karin (NARUTO), Houzuki Suigetsu, Fanart, Tumblr, SuiKarin
I really ship these two. <3 They're better for each other! Not sure why people love SK so much and just hate SS. Make's no sense. Sasuke tried to kill her too. He didn't give a damn about her, the moment Danzo caught her. Actually, he probably never cared about her in the first place.
Of course SS fans ship them, who knows why uh? Because it's a convenient ship for them, that's pretty obvious. SS fans comprehensive skills are not existent and their shipping googles always activated xD Sasuke's relationships with Sakura and Karin were pretty similar: he complimented them, rescued them risking his own life (against Gaara with Sakura and against Killer Bee with Karin), acknowledged their strenght, tried to kill them and then apologized to them. But contrary to Sakura who Kishi never bothered to give solid reasons as to why she would love him, justifying this epic bs saying "love doesn't need an explaination", Karin had an actual reason why she fell in love with him (because he saved her life and his kind smile that's what warmed her heart, more or less like Kushina with Minato); Karin was personally chosen by Sasuke to be part of his team while Sakura was imposed to him and before team 7 was formed he barely knew she even existed; Sasuke developed a new power (the skill to extinguish amaterasu flames) because he wanted to save Karin's life at all costs. And according to the Uchiha's love through the eyes (or something like that, I don't recall the actual term), Uchihas develop a new power only when they want to protect a person they truly care about at all costs. Did Sasuke ever develop a new power while trying to rescue Sakura? No, never. That just happened when he tried to save Naruto (against Haku) and Karin alone. This speaks for itself. So when it comes to the plot, SK besides SNS was the ship who had more build. It's kinda comic that the only reason why garbage SS happened was for things that had nothing to do with the plot: its popularity in the fandom, basically mere fanservice xD
Oh and according to SS shippers, Karin was nothing but an obsessive stalker and a bit*h but and you know what? You're right. It was her who couldn't move on from a love that according to Kishi is kind of an addiction, it was her who was so desperate to chase Sasuke down while pregnant, it was her who photoshopped her picture over another woman's in order to create a fake illusion of a family, it was always her who loved Sasuke so much to the point she couldn't even provide her daughter simple infos about her deadbeat father like if he wore glasses or not (while Naruto was able to reply in detail to her questions) and it was still her who scared and made her daughter cry just because she was a frustrated wife who didn't know sh*it about the man she married and didn't know what to answer to a straight question. Oh wait no!! That was Sakura all the time, what a shame xDDD
^ Are you just stalking my comments? Creepy. o.o
^ Nope, pictures with the latest comments show up on the main page of the site, didn't you notice? I like the picture, I open it and happen to find your trolling comments xD
Trolling comments? This is only my opinion! Anyway, I'm done replying to you. You are quite unpleasant!
^ Your so called "opinions" are nothing but not argumented insults under every single picture that is not SS. There's a difference between constructive criticism and mere insults. There's no reason to disrespect minor ships and its fans just because their mere existence insults your "perfect", "pure" and with so much sense ship. You're on the winning side after all, there's no reason for you to be this butthurt... or maybe not xD And that's the harsh truth what's unpleasant to SS shippers, goodbye xD
@Sāκαšυ иø נøō ''But contrary to Sakura who Kishi never bothered to give solid reasons as to why she would love him, justifying this epic bs saying "love doesn't need an explaination" ''
Er...are you serious? You need logic and explanation why to love someone? I mean, ffs, then none of the gay pairings should be shipped and approved, if we go by logic. Men + women -> child.
Sorry, I rarely bother with any zc user, but every comment you post seems so butthurt and self-centered. If she ships SS, she/he ships, so what? Leave her/him alone already.
And just to make it clear, I'm not a SS shipper.
^ Of course you need a reason to love someone, there is always a reason that make people fall for a special someone may be their personality, their intelligence, their smile, their eyes, or whatever other reason. Kishi just gave that excuse about Sakura because he couldn't even bother to find a proper reason, a reason that made sense. And still according to him, explaining the way SS happened would sound contrived so he avoids the topic.
You probably read another manga because InoSaku and SNS are the ships with more build and mutual development, they have way more reasons to love each other than Sasuke and Sakura whose relationship was weak, underdeveloped and mostly onesided compared to the other two. And who was talking about kids btw? I was talking about development. I sense some homophobic undertones in your comment, these are pretty common words among homophobic people.
And no, I'm not butthurt just disgusted by homophobic people, they make me want to puke. The problem is not shipping SS, I'd have nothing to say to an objective SS fan able to acknowledge all the issues of the pairing. Too bad this kind of shippers doesn't seem to exist.
ps: I'm not a SNS and InoSaku shipper either, romantically speaking I mean, but if they were romantic ships I'd have totally acknowleged them because they have substance.
Nope, I'm not homophobic. Stop assuming things about people you don't know. I'm pretty sure I read Naruto manga, and SasuSaku is canon. Personally, I don't like it. Didn't ship it from the moment the shipping started. But still, it's canon. People ship. It's their OTP, even though I find it unhealthy, and I agree it's a sexist ship. But you won't gain anything from going around and argue with SS shippers. They can ship and comment that they love it and what not.
Idk if I sound like arguing, because it's not the point. Calling someone homophopic, troll or whatnot for stating their opinion is not really nice. To me, StarxChild wasn't trolling. She stated what she likes and dislikes, for HER reasons.
There is a difference between arguing and discussing, you know. Arguing is pretty much what you are doing right now. I'm always open for discussing, but accepting other people views, likes and dislikes is a way to go, just as you demand others to accept yours.
As for the whole homophobic issue, I'm supporting gay people, both fiction and reality. Off-topic, but I saw you ship Victuuri (which is fine, of course) and I find it undeveloped and an insult to all real gay realtionships. Gay relationships are displayed mostly as fanservice and fetishes, and I thought that Victuuri will be end to it all, but it wasn't. And still, shippers won't even accept the fact someone dislikes it and call them homophobic. Not being able to accept the truth. Not being able to accept the canon.
But I won't really go around and argue and bash other people OTPs. That's the whole point of this conversation. I think the best you can do to support ship is comment, favorite etc on their fanart. Arguing with other shippers leads to nowhere. We people should try to get along better and accept each other better. Yes, even if one of us ship an unhealthy ship. You seem like a nice person and arguing here seems like a waste of time for you.
^ It's not that I said SS is not canon, it is but that's still an empty title when the relationship lacks development. The problem is not that a ship I dislike turned canon, because there are a bunch of other ships that I hate that are canon but I accept them because despite my tastes, they have a solid build. SS lacks build, it's highly unhealthy for a bunch of reasons that are pretty obvious to everyone and last but not least is sexist. Naruto is a series whose purpose is to give a moral to the young generations and supporting sexism is one of these so called positive messages?!!! Absurd. And forgive me but for a woman like me to support or even remotely accept a sexist ship who degrades women, is out of the world. Girls should be feel insulted by this kind of ships, loving them goes against their own dignity. That's why I hate SS so much, because it's the epitome of the thing I hate the most in this world: sexism.
About the other topic, you may not be homophobic but we supporters of same sex relationships are so used to deal with homophobic scumbags every day that it's really hard to discern this kind of people from other people who dislike gay/lesbian ships for genuine reasons. The other person though was being homophobic, given she addressed the SNS and InoSaku relationships as some kind of fetish and people who see same sex relationships as nothing but a perversion are indeed homophobic. That wasn't an opinion, that was an insult to homose ual relationships and people who support them. Period. And sorry but I can't accept either women who support stuff that denigrates our category and steps on our dignity nor homophobic individuals. Never gonna happen. Of course you're free to disagree but when I know to be right, I never change my mind.
I pretty much DO agree with almost every point you made. But we can't do much about it. I am a women and I'm very, very much against sexist ships, against anything that degrades women and that makes them feel unequal to opposite sex and submissive to them. Sexism is all around us. I personally live in small, small town, surrounded by sexists. 'You a 22year old (for example) women, and you aren't married?! Go die!' but on the other hand 'You are a 22year old men but you aren't married?! Way to go bro! Never give up a life of a 'free' man!' Pretty much that. xD
SasuSaku is an insult yeah, but the hell with it. Kishi is terrible at writting romance. Even NaruHina seems a bit sexist to me, ffs. What is Hinata now? And what she used to be?
Most of time girls are portrayed in anime like they have no other dream in life other than having a husband and kids. It's their biggest dream and if they aren't married in the end, they are pitiable, or so they say.
I guess it was me at fault in the end, and I'm sorry. I thought you are attacking StarxChild the moment I saw the 'troll' word, so shame on me.
But one thing I can support is fighting against homophobic people and sexism. We only have one life, so why we leave in pain and sorrow and how society is forcing us to live? Down with religion and all. If it can't support individuality, freedom of speaking from your heart and will to be with one who you love, then I'm not religious. Even if my whole town is.
Anyway, again going off-topic and all, but way to go! Down sexism and homophobia!
^ Of course I'm not so delusional to think I could actually change the world with my posts but if with my words I could even afford to make a few people change their mind and realize how wrong it is to support sexist material (and it happened quite often lately) then I'm already satisfied. Silence is never an option, we should always bring this kind of topics to the attention of people who don't notice the issue and educate women to love and value themselves and their dignity.
The irony is that most SS shippers are western girls and at this point you wonder how is that women in history fought so much for their rights and equalty to men to be acknowledged and yet they're willing to throw everything away to support material that steps on their dignity insulting them as human beings. These women are a shame to our category, they just deserve to be despised and treated like trash because if they don't respect themselves I don't see why I should respect them. Pretty sure they're the same category of women who wet their panties with 50 Shades of Grey and support Trump xD
NH is also sexist as hell. Hinata was always a no one, apart from her crush on Naruto she never brought anything remotely interesting to the plot, she's the most useless and one dimensional character ever existed. Sakura on the other hand had a great potential, but everything was thrown away for the sake of a ship that does nothing but degrade her and make her unhappy in her delusional idea of loving family that exists just in her head. She deserved so much better, poor Sakura.
Btw we seem to agree on pretty much everything, glad we were able to clarify the misunderstandings.
Yes, yes so much. Long live you, and continue spreading the truth and right way of thinking. We, women, should respect ourselves before everything and never let anything degrades us. Women have the equall rights as man. I hope that the good times are coming for our so-far sexist wolrd.
I actually enjoyed this conversation in the end, glad to meet a modern, healthy-minded woman who is not being afraid to put an end to the plague called sexism. May we share opinions with each other sometime again in the future. ^^ Thank you. People like you birghten my day and give me some faith for humanity. It's not all lost.