Karneval #1477824

Entry by Dove on Wed Apr 17 19:29:12 2013.

Tags: Anime, manglobe, Karneval, Nai (Karneval), Gareki, Scan, Official Art

manglobe, Karneval, Nai (Karneval), Gareki, Scan, Official Art

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  • Kuroi Kurara

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    Apr 03, 2013

    First YuuLen, then NezumiShion and KuroShiro.
    That's it, I think that I have a BlackWhite syndrome.. <3

  • Eenia

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    Apr 03, 2013

    Awwwww~~!!Can't wait!!! >_____<

  • -Naufara

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    Apr 03, 2013

    Another BW pair? O_O

  • NekoMaid

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    Apr 03, 2013

    ^ Ikr.. So many BW pairings.. <3

  • Deranged Ringleader

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    Apr 03, 2013

    The series starts out with potential for Gareki x Nai but later on Yogi x Gareki is way more obvious. Not that I mind either way, I ship both.

    None the less I love how Nai looks in the anime style. Such pretty eyes.

  • lady Rivel Keehl

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    Apr 17, 2013

    ^ I ship both as well so it's not really a problem for me xP The only character I dislike until now is Karoku. I don't even know why but I have a bad feeling about him, he's highly suspicious... *.* Or is it just me? xD

  • mana_tears

    Apr 17, 2013

    Cuuuuute G/N <3

  • ByakuranxLelouchLOVE

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    Apr 18, 2013

    So cute! Gareki x Nai = Cute couple!❤

  • titanblue

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    Apr 19, 2013

    OH GOD.. they look really cute! love this pairing! :)

  • Mizuri

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    Apr 19, 2013

    OTP <3 <3

  • Chasity--neko

    Apr 20, 2013

    omg otp sbkahohjdfo

  • KaraVessalius

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    Apr 21, 2013

    sdahjkgfbn yes otp

  • alenas

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    Apr 22, 2013

    Lol, it's so amusing to see anime producers luring in yaoi fanbase with images like these, even though the show itself doesn't fall under that genre. I might be wrong and they might even change it, but damn, I sure hope not. Karneval is too awesome a manga to be ruined with silly, cliche shounen-ai anime romance. :/

  • lady Rivel Keehl

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    Apr 22, 2013

    ^ Maybe you don't know that Karneval is targeted also as a josei and it's known that a sub-category of josei series may include shounen-ai themes. You should inform yourself before starting to follow a series so you can avoid it if there's something you dislike. Moreover it's not that a series have to be a yaoi/shounen-ai to include yaoi pairings, No.6 is a good example of this category. And I fail to see how romance may ruin something here since shoujo/josei are series mainly focused on romantic feelings. Romance ruin the series when it's unnecessary, it doesn't fit well in the plot and the feelings come out of nowhere with poor argumentation (as it happens in many shounen manga for example where the plot is almost always focused on general themes, frienship, fights, etc...), but definitely this isn't the case since the relationship between Gareki and Nai is one of the main focuses of the plot.

    Btw maybe Nai is too clueless and innocent to be paired up with someone and in fact I'd rather his and Gareki's relationship to stay "pure" at least until he grows up a bit. And after having read all the available manga chapters, I realized that YogixGareki is the pairing with more shipping material so my preference goes to them now also because I find their interaction really funny and cute.

  • alenas

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    Apr 23, 2013

    ^ I know what a josei manga is; I worked on some of them and I still clean and QC some of them so I'm well informed. And since I have worked on them, I can tell that romance is definitely NOT the main focus of all of them (if at ALL) and Karneval IS basically one of those manga that are focused on themes like "friendship, fights etc..." as you have previously mentioned. The fact that it has so many pretty boys and they're all slashable to fangirls, is a matter of one's perspective, not established as a rule that every josei is a romance manga. Besides, do not mix josei with shoujo - they might both be directed at a female audience but josei is usually considered as a material for a more 'mature' audience who see things differently than most high school girls that shoujo is directed at.

    I agree that Nai is too innocent and pure to be paired up with anyone; hell, he's not even entirely human so I really see Gareki/Nai relationship as nothing more than older brother/younger brother relationship and who Gareki is being protective of in that way.
    As for Gareki/Yogi, again, it all depends on perspective. Yaoi fangirls will see yaoi/shounen-ai in anything because they want to. Other people might simply not. For example - I saw Yogi holding Tsukumo's hands in one of the latest chapters and being all emotional while at it in his usual Yogi fashion but no one said a beep about that, despite the fact that it 'could've' been seen as a nice, ship-able scene. But were it Yogi holding Gareki's hands, all hell would break loose and yaoi fangirls would be all over it.

    So, yeah, I'm not dropping this manga so soon. After all, I'm in it for the fantasy, plot and mystery surrounding all characters, not the potential romance/bromance between anyone and because I can't decide who would be 'seme' and who would be 'uke.'

  • lady Rivel Keehl

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    Apr 23, 2013

    ^ I know it isn't a rule, in fact I said it's just a sub-category of josei manga to be like that not all of them. Until now Karneval seems to be more focused on general themes but the fact that romance isn't the main focus doesn't deny the presence of explicit or hinted pairings. The choice is up to the authors.
    I don't mix josei with shoujo, I know very well the difference between them. They're like shounen (for a younger male audience) and seinen (always for guys but for a more mature audience).

    About YogixGareki I agree 50%, until now it depends on perspective (and not even so much) because it's not that we have too many hints or things that completely deny the pairing, but the manga is still on going so we still don't know whether the authors have in mind romantic implications for the couple or not.
    People didn't say anything about Yogi holding Tsukumo's hand because the two of them seem to share just a brother/sister kind of relationship with no ambiguous scenes (and moreover Tsukumo has an obvious crush on Hirato) and btw Yogi did even more with Gareki, hugging him every 5 minutes and there's also a little ambiguous scene in chapter 12 where Gareki wins for him a leather bracelet and a blushing Yogi thinks: "He must be popular with girls, I got red just looking at him..." xD More than jealous because Gareki may be popular with girls, he seems more embarassed looking at how much Gareki is cool xDD

    But until now we have just small things, the manga is still on going so we'll see if it's just yaoi fans imagination (said scene it's not imagination at all ^^;) or if the authors are actually giving hints about them. In any case I'll keep following the series, with shounen-ai hints or not.

  • Mikujean24

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    Apr 24, 2013

    i like both pair of them~
    YogixGareki and GarekixNai makes cute couple~
    my favourite character yogi, gareki and nai in karneval afterall :D

  • lady Rivel Keehl

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    Apr 24, 2013

    ^ Mine too but Hirato as well ;)

  • aki-chan99

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    Apr 25, 2013

    Cuuute *.*

  • XTsukiUsagiX

    Apr 27, 2013

    I agree with alenas. I personally like GarekixNai better then YogixGareki, but this anime/manga isn't a boys love sort of thing, it's merely just a great story plus some fan service scenes that fangirls drool over. Please don't ruin the fandom by saying that it points to a certain pairing, stupid fangirls will take over, they all have a kind of family relationship if you ask me. Romance would probably ruin this whole series, especially if it's boyxboy romance, keep your delusions to yourselves. Those 'hints' are probably just fan service, since this series was meant for women after all. You can tell Nai and Gareki are close, but can easily be seen as a close friendship bond, and Yogi is just trying to be a big brother figure for Gareki like he is for Nai. I think the reason Yogi blushes at Gareki's cool aura is more of an Asian thing. Me and my Asian friends joke about stuff like that all the time. I don't mind the hints, but the whole series would probably be ruined if it does turn out to be a shounen-ai manga. Ship all you want, just don't pick scenes that could easily be seen as a close friendship to support the pairings 'canon-ness'.

  • LittleOwl

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    Apr 30, 2013

    This show looks interesting and I like the art (this pic makes the anime style look great as well), but I have not read or seen it yet, so will be interesting.
    On another note - all this "the show is this not that" and "stupid fangirls" comments etc just never ends, does it? If I got a penny for every silly debate relating to ridiculing or insulting peoples wishes or hopes when it comes to a fandom, I'd be crazy rich... Not to mention dropping a manga because a pair that "wasn't anticipated" turns up even if the story in itself is good...? Not even going to go there, seriously.

  • XTsukiUsagiX

    May 01, 2013

    ^If you're referring to me then I'm sorry and was just trying it get a point across. I wasn't trying to insult anyone but I've seen way to many people go overboard when it comes to fandom and it gets very annoying... And who the hell gives up a good manga because of a stupid pairing? I can see if there were never any real hints in their relationship, but I wouldn't drop something like Karneval if it does turn out to be shounen-ai, no matter how much I hoped it didn't...

  • lady Rivel Keehl

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    May 01, 2013

    @XTsukiUsagiX First of all regardless of the argument, I find what you said really offensive so please, moderate your tone and your words. Adressing people you don't even know as "stupid fangirls" just because they ship shounen-ai pairings in a not shounen-ai series is even more stupid since there are things such as hinted couples that are very common in series where romance isn't the main focus of the plot. This common idea of yaoi fans = stupid and obsessed fangirls is actually getting on my last nerve, I've had enough of it. Your comment was just rude and out of place, just comment about the picture or if you don't have anything nice to say then leave.

    Romance is romance, if it's het, yaoi or yuri it doesn't matter. On the contrary shounen-ai romance would be the most appropriated for this series because the main relationships of Karneval are between guys (GarekixNai, KarokuxNai, YogixGareki, etc...) and apart from Tsukumo, until now the other girls are all secondary characters. In your opinion shounen-ai romance would ruin the series because you probably dislike it, that's all. Other people may think differently.

    And I don't have any delusions since I'm expecting nothing in particular. What I did was just pointing out my doubts, doubts that authors themselves have aroused within the fandom with ambiguous scenes and official arts. I never claimed that YogixGareki is or will become canon, I just said that to see if it's fanservice or real hints we have to wait and see how things will turn out for them, that's all.

    But I suppose you didn't understand a single thing of my latest post otherwise almost 3/4 of your comment would've been completely superfluous. And just to be clear, I NEVER said I'll drop the series if it won't become a shounen-ai, on the contrary I said I'll keep following it because I find it extremely interesting, shounen-ai or not.

    @LittleOwl Thanks God, finally someone who says intelligent things here, total respect for you!!!!

  • alenas

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    May 01, 2013

    @LittleOwl: even though the anime just got released, I still recommend manga since it has more chapters, prettier art and well, almost every new anime that gets to be adaptation of the manga, strays from the usual manga plot and only ends up a mediocre mess in the end. Not saying this will be the case and I really hope it won't but, yenno, just saying. xD

    @lady Rivel Keehl: I understand your frustration with the 'stupid fangirls' thing but you also have to understand that so far, 95% of yaoi fangirls I've come across (and probably other people as well), DID look like obsessed and crazed girls who had no problems bashing other pairings/characters, even people commenting because they were opposing their yaoi/shounen-ai pairing. I just have to remember that whole -/+ comments fiasco and some of our comments being deleted/grayed out because they had so many minuses on pictures that didn't even have anything to do with any yaoi pairings but other pairings we liked. I've met some fangirls with whom I could have a normal conversation and who respected my opinions and ships and vice versa but honestly, you can't blame us for thinking so when almost every other fangirl we've come across ended up being a flailing, screaming and insulting person wishing horrible death upon others.

  • Dove

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    May 01, 2013

    Am I the only one who merely sees two people in a picture whose relationship is something between friendship and brotherhood?

    And this is a lucky guess but I'll probably get bashed for this.

  • alenas

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    May 01, 2013

    @Dove: Lol, no, you're not the only one. Like I said, it all mostly depends on one's perspective - you and I will see this as close friendship/brotherhood, others will see it as BL. Don't know yet in which direction the manga will go (seems to me the anime creators are pushing for the BL approach - it's enough to just look at their expressions and poses in this picture) but ah, well, there will always be various shipping in every manga, it's unavoidable. xD

  • XTsukiUsagiX

    May 02, 2013

    Well I'm not referring to you, lady Rivel Keehl, but you have to understand that I've seen some very unreasonable people who claim to be Yaoi fangirls. If my tone sounds rude then I'm sorry and didn't intend for it to sound that way. I'm not saying that you can't ship them, but this is a really great series and I don't want the fandom to battle over things like other fandoms I've come across. Some would probably take a picture like this that could be seen as close friendship and go around saying it's canon, although I hope they're joking. I don't think I've ever said that all Yaoi fangirls equal stupid and obsessed and fangirls and have actually meet some pretty nice ones. I've never recalled saying that I don't like Shounen-Ai either, not a fangirl but I like it to an extent. Again, I've never actually referred to you, have I? I'm referring to the people that think this or that would be better and would delude themselves into thinking it's canon. I also did see that you did say that you'll still follow it regardless of Shounen-Ai or not, but like unreasonable fangirls, I've seen unreasonable people that would drop a series just because of a pairing they didn't like. I don't want to turn this into a stupid argument so say what you want about how this comment may offend you and accept my apology if it made it seem like I was referring to you. I really love your icon by the way, Dove!

  • lady Rivel Keehl

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    May 02, 2013

    @alenas I don't blame you, but I assure you that almost every character/pairing/fandom have their share of obsessed fans and I say this for personal experiences. They're not just yaoi fangirls to be like that, het pairings have obsessed fans as well. But I don't want to give examples now, it's not the case. I remember about the +/- rating sistem, my comments in particular under Naruto pictures were deleted as well but I knew from the beginning that it was a bad idea because it was clear that people would ever be mature enough to handle it properly. Let's just say that we've been very unlucky to have met just the worst part of these fandoms.

    @XTsukiUsagiX The main reason why I got angry is because I despise those obsessed fans as well and just the idea to be considered one of them make me sick. Btw ok, to me we can drop the discussion here, I don't want to argue anymore. Let's just enjoy this lovely picture!!!

  • XTsukiUsagiX

    May 02, 2013

    Sorry, I didn't mean to make it seem like you were one of them, although you and I have different opinions (seen some of your comments on other pictures) I respect and admire how you can explain your opinions with good reason so you're part of my sane/likeable group. Anyways, I love how innocent Nai seems to be, and Gareki's has awesome as ever! Does anyone else see him as a Tsundere?

  • lady Rivel Keehl

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    May 02, 2013

    ^ He's obviously a tsundere yes, because outside he acts tough, cold and serious but inside has a kind heart and in particular a soft spot for children xD

  • FaiOtaku

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    May 12, 2013

    Gareki and I are married*. But I'm OK with this too. :3




    In my head*

  • Corliss

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    May 21, 2013

    the yogi and gareki couple is love!!!!!

  • Kuroi Kurara

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    May 24, 2013

    All of that words..

  • KiraHoshi

    May 31, 2013

    ^Agreed. I can't even finish it. How the hell did this get into a debate? Did it even have to be a debate? If the author likes it herself, then there's nothing you can really do about the ho yays she slips in.
    Let's all look this picture and let our guilty pleasures take over if you are into that.

  • XTsukiUsagiX

    May 31, 2013

    ^Hey, we ended that peacefully :P

  • KiraHoshi

    May 31, 2013

    ^Oh that's good. Sorry, it's just too long to read. Actually, why the hell should I be reading this. XD It's really none of my beeswax.

  • alenas

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    Jun 07, 2013

    ^This is Zerochan. Better get used to things like this, lol. xD

  • Mondan~

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    Jun 16, 2013

    Ok, sorries owo

    gotta turn bw pairing into blue white and gold black pairings....
    (karoku+nai/yogi+gareki)

    DON'T STAB ME

  • Baniita

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    Jul 24, 2013

    Just clarifying here, beforehand--I don't ship anything in Karneval. None of the pairings do it for me yet.

    But you people make me sick.

    First of all, suggesting that just because something has a BL romance would ruin the story is stupid and homophobic. Just because something has BL doesn't mean it's always cliche or just pointless fanservice.

    In canon, they're friends, with potential for growth in their relationship. That potential is completely up to the reader to decide. If the anime decides to feed fangirl fodder by DELIBERATELY strongly hinting at pairings, you don't get to call anyone deluded for considering it canon (at least in the anime). It's silly, like saying SebaCiel fans are deluded for thinking the pairing is canon anime-wise. So please don't insult someone else's viewpoints in a public, non-exclusive place.

    Don't advertise/announce an opposing pairing on an image that's clearly for another pairing... That's just rude.

    People should be able to decide to drop a series based on disliking the chemistry of a pairing without your judgement. Gay or straight pairing, if that person dislikes the chemistry so much that reading it is no longer becomes a priority, who are you to ridicule them? It's the same thing as if the plot steered in a direction the reader didn't agree with. (On the otherhand, if one drops a series just because it's gay or straight, despite being undisputably well-written, that person has my utter disrespect.)

    Finally, I hope the only "crazy fangirls" you're mentioning are only the ones that instigate stuff. There is absolutely nothing wrong with defending your pairing, and if someone is bashed, the best thing to do is either ignore them, or only say what you have to defend your pairing, and nothing against their pairing. When people are passionate about something, hate always exists in its shadow. There's nothing wrong with complaining about a pairing--but only if you do it OUT of the vicinity of the pairing addressed, and with a warning. That means you don't tag it on tumblr, you tag it as -anti(pairing) so people can blacklist it, you don't put them in the comments section of an illustration of the opposed pairing, etc. If you write a fic against that pairing, you put it under a cut, you put a warning, etc. I've personally had terrible experiences with an opposing pairing of my OTP, Yullen, and I have to admit that I /have/ wished death on a certain plagiarizer that took one of my friend's fics of my OTP, and completely rewrote it to suit her ship, and committed atrocious character assassination in the process, so I understand why some people hate certain pairings and their respective fandoms so much. Some pairings even exist solely because "they look hot together" and not because of any existing or potential chemistry, and I don't blame some people for hating them because it makes the rest of us also look shallow. What I'm saying is, please don't be so quick to hate on fangirls with hatred of other ships, especially if they haven't actually started anything.

  • Kyokyo<3

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    Jul 24, 2013

    thank god I didn't buy that poster at Anime Expo. What a ripoff that would've been...

    You know...considering that the picture is right HERE.

  • Grimmjow Jeagerjaquez

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    Aug 07, 2013

    @at all the long comments up there talking about yaoi and stuff
    gawd why dont you all just shush up. -_-

  • lady Rivel Keehl

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    Aug 07, 2013

    ^ You have no right to say to other people to shut up, if you're not interested in the conversation just ignore the comments that bother you.

  • XTsukiUsagiX

    Aug 09, 2013

    Oh come on! I thought this ended peacefully and we could just ignore the argument! (QAQ)

  • BLisawesome

    Aug 10, 2013

    Dat words...

    Ugh.... the same old story. If you dislike bl undertones, then series like Karneval, Kuroshitsuji, K project, 07-Ghost, etc... are not your cup of tea so just drop them and stop bothering the fandom. You can't blame fangirls for shipping bl pairings because it's the series itself that suggests you to do so with bunch of hints here and there, be it for fanservice or further purposes, but hints are still there.

    The huge bs about bl ruining a series is just the personal opinion of stupid homophobic people, not the universal truth. The same stupid polemics I heard in "The Walking Dead" fandom recently. When it comes to me the less homophobic idiots follow my favourite series, the better.

    About Gareki x Nai, not that I don't see the hints but personally I consider Nai too much of an innocent child to ship him with anyone, romantically and sexually. Besides lately the show hinted more toward Yogi x Gareki than Gareki x Nai.

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